Comments on: Michael Kimmelman Mot du Jour: Insiders/Outsiders

By: Richard Haden

Richard Haden — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:30:23 +0000

The Art Makers and Art writers can be one and the same.

Most art writers are press release writers…is it the turd on the cover that is truly out side. Or can I detect the faint smell of the scatological baring down on my olfactory…was it Warhol’s factory that was down wind of crtical thought or were we up wind barely old enough to be on either side…

By: I was there

I was there — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:38:17 +0000

Wow you held one?!
you are cool.
Regarding Kimmelman there will always be the art makers and the art writers. Those on the “inside” who make the stars shine and those on the “outside” who gaze up at the sky.

I walked into Gavin Brown’s empty gallery once only to encounter a puddle of water on the floor. When I asked if the gallery was “inbetween” shows the bored looking gallery attendant pointed to the puddle and said the name of some obscure European artist.
I laughed and exited the gallery in search of lunch.

By: swampthing

swampthing — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:24:22 +0000

brillo schmillo.I actually held a warhol brillobox at holly solomon’s place. swamp loved andy but american modern is mostly disappointing. Rover is all about the ready-made. Iwasthere a-a-ain’t here now.

By: Richard Haden

Richard Haden — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:06:06 +0000

From a hyper-realist point of view I would agree with “I was there”. Hyper-reality or its (ism) calls into question our ability to discern or our inability to distinguish reality from fantasy (or prop)
The Brillo box is a simulacrum of the Brillo box. And both have content of a caustic nature but the original (authentic) formers content can rub out the other. The latter is packaged banality and exceeds the cost / value of the former…Marcel would have chosen the “Brillo” and Warhol chose the later facsimile of it’s container for he liked to make pretty things to sell…Marcel Duchamp’s gesture wanted to destroy Andy’s market but Warhol put his pop box back in it’s original package–the white cube of commerce.

I will only post this once…my enter key does not stutter.

By: I was there

I was there — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:31:56 +0000

Gerber:
And your point?
pointless.

By: gerber

gerber — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:51:20 +0000

No point, poorly made (twice!)

Thanks I WAS THERE!

By: I was there

I was there — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:53:41 +0000

I feel it is important to note that the Brillo boxes in question were NOT actually Brillo boxes, they were skillfully and artistically rendered facsimilies of Brillo boxes. So there actually IS a big differance between an actual Brillo box and the Warhol rendition. I’m not sure if this has any bearing on the text but I thought I would just make this point.
It was decades prior to this that the idea of the Ready Made and the assisted Ready Made was pioneered by Duchaump and Man Ray.
But I digress the topic is Inside and Outside.
It was Marx who said “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members” I feel this has more to do with the art world and the topic of Inside and Outside.

By: I was there

I was there — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:53:17 +0000

I fell it is important to note that the Brillo boxes in question were NOT actually Brillo boxes, they were skillfully and artistically rendered facsimilies of Brillo boxes. So there actually IS a big differance between an actual Brillo box and the Warhol rendition. I’m not sure if this has any bearing on the text but I thought I would just make this point.
It was decades prior to this that the idea of the Ready Made and the assisted Ready Made was pioneered by Duchaump and Man Ray.
But I digress the topic is Inside and Outside.
It was Marx who said “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members” I feel this has more to do with the art world and the topic of Inside and Outside.